Thank you so much for once again writing an article about something I might not entirely agree with but that comes from a perspective I can appreciate.
Much experimentation will by the nature of experimentation fail, so the 90% fail rate is not all that surprising or shocking, and given the limits of computer simulation, I'm not entirely sure I'd be down with taking a drug because it did well in a simulated organ. We have enough trouble with people manipulating studies with easily verifiable and quantifiable outcomes, like animal or human, in which X did well but Y didn't. I can't imagine relying on Pfizer's digital kidney, or even the CDC's digital kidney, to demonstrate that a particular drug does it no harm. It's what it does in a real body that matters. Computers simulations are vulnerable to coding "errors."
But having said that, I am equally as suspicious of people who can so easily torment animals. Given the well established relationship between a child's tendency to abuse animals and violence toward other humans later in life, this explains a lot about Fauci for me. I don't think he actually sees humanity, other than perhaps a select few humans, as anything other than animals to be experimented on for his own curiosity and glory. So in that respect, I think I have more understanding of the man, so thank you.
I have read articles making the same points you do, but I'm not convinced that ending animal testing is viable. But I am firmly in the camp that it should be rare and those wanting to do it should demonstrate a high level of need, a high degree of certainty that the experiments will be a success (so we're not throwing away beagles like they're nothing but cheap broken beakers), and a set of standards to mitigate the suffering of the animals involved.
God told us He put everything on this Earth that we needed - and He did. Alzheimers medication comes from snowdrops; aspirin from the bark of the willow tree. We didn't look hard enough. Fauci and all those who caused such needless suffering to animals should rot in hell for what they did, including those "scientists" who could have ended animal experimentation with this so-called "new" technology because they have had it for DECADES.
Excellent article Mr. Woodhouse! I'm so glad I'm able to find great journalism on Substack. I'm a huge softie when it comes to animals so I'm certainly biased. But perhaps it's time (much like Muller with the "Russian Collusion") to stop deifing people like this as not just good people but saints.
There is NO justification for any animal testing whatsoever. MEDICINE comes from nature. There is no NEED to test drugs and procedures on animals. We've removed ourselves from nature and our natural medicines.
We poison and pollute ourselves with the "food" we eat and our toxic lifestyles.
Subjecting animals to abuses to promote an industry (whose prime motive IS profit) that merely seeks to replicate what already exists in nature to cure ailments we inflict on ourselves is insanity.
Innocent beings do not deserve to be tortured and murdered for the sake of humanity's bad life choices.
I can understand the requirement to test on animals, but the experimentation should be for some benefit. I don't see how destroying a monkey's brain and inducing more terror is "beneficial" - nor do I see any benefit to dogs being eaten alive by bugs, infecting an animal with anthrax to test an already approved vaccine, nor any of the rest of the experiments listed here. None of these is of any possible beneficial effect except to someone looking to cause incomprehensible pain and suffering to both animals and humans. They should have to justify their request for funds and submit the intent of doing such experiments. These are horrific and caused incredible suffering for the animals involved.
What I don't understand is why they have this available to them, but they didn't do testing on animals with the COVID vaccines and people are now paying the price with horrific adverse events. They encourage pregnant women to get them when they cause miscarriages, and nursing mothers' infants die after mothers get the vaccine. It makes no sense they did no reproductive tests. So, running experiments for seemingly no benefit to mankind, and failure to run experiments with the COVID vaccines that would have been beneficial. Time to do away with Fauci's organization. Time to do away with the CDC and FDA - both of which have been seriously wrong in the past and have become political nightmares controlling our lives. Fauci should be in jail.
Hi, long time (10y) lab researcher here. One major omission from this article, which only cites hyperbolic sources, is the existence of IACUC. At major institutions in the USA, meaning anyone who matters, there is a review board run by IACUC which reviews all experimental protocols involving animal research. Every experiment is scrutinized and pressure is put upon researchers to NOT use animal models. Animal experiments are expensive, require tons of infrastructure, and are generally a pain the ass compared to in vitro studies. Note, the board is staffed by biomedical ethicists, professors, and students, so everyone get a view into what is being done, and to be sure it cannot be done another way. This means your animal protocol involving rats, gets sent to in vitro because someone else used a new model to understand that system that maybe you didn't see or know about.
The level of detail in these protocols is very high, and at non shitty institutions are followed closely. To the point that, you will administer Tylenol to your rats after surgery, and give them heating pads to help them recover. It is necessary, some people think it's silly, but that's the work. The violations that I have seen are often from non-US researchers that come from places that don't have the same set of rules. A lab at U Penn I know got busted for storing their animals IN THE FREEZER for weeks because their Chinese researcher was too lazy to take them to incinerator. IACUC found out, lab nearly got completely shut down. They were put on a performance improvement where every other day an IACUC member would come down to check their logs and verify every step of their protocol involving animals. In my experience, this is a good system.
Not to take away from the articles truth, which is that animal experimentation is alive and well in the US. The origin story you want to read is the monkey and helmets experiment at Penn, which is what sparked the creation of IACUC and an attempt to make animal experimentation more humane. The grislier stuff is done in other countries, entirely on purpose, and without oversight.
If you think we don't need animal experimentation, you need to check your notes. Much of the work on modern medicines is a result of animal experimentation, one way or another. The safety and efficacy of modern medicine relies on this model. It's not perfect, and there are problems. Also, there are people working on better simulations and better models every year and things are improving. If we could do things without it, we would. In other countries, it's often because it is cheaper or they do not have the sophisticated setups we do in more developed places.
The best story on the need for animal based research is horseshoe crab blood. Horseshoe crabs have an immune system that is exceptionally sensitive to bacteria. So sensitive, we cannot manufacture something that works as well. It is used to quality control drugs and vaccines, so that we don't inject things tainted with bacteria. Of course, in medicine we don't want this! It's expensive, and a huge process. It has served for decades to keep injectables safe.
Personally, it is no one's favorite in the lab, but if you're in the business, it's part of the job and it is not taken lightly. Of course, my experience is not universal and it is an ethical issue in science.
Full force.... Throwing a dog into its cage while bleeding from 60 different infected wounds, after being eaten alive for 30 days from 300,000 flies let loose in a small kennel with caged beagles wearing plastic cones on their heads and no antiseptic or any treatment at all is not experimenting. Its torture on purpose. Holding them up by one leg while they take their last breath and letting them fall into a trash can is not experiment. Thats torture on purpose.
Animal rights advocates do themselves no favors by constantly reciting these talking points that animal experimentation has no value and everything can be done with in vitro experimentation or computer modeling. Try gathering any useful information in immunology or neuroscience with just in vitro experiments and modeling. Any sane biomedical researcher will laugh you out of the room if you try to make the case to them. Most animal experiments fail, because most experiments fail. That's just the nature of scientific enterprise.
Instead of focusing on areas where headway can be made on protecting animals from needless suffering, blithely claiming that we can do away with it while only citing blanket opponents of animal experimentation and the most extreme instances (the vast majority of research is done on small rodents) does a massive disservice to your readership. The only way to justify not doing animal experiments before human trials is if you think human and animal life is entirely equivalent. If you do, fine, but that's not the view of the vast majority of Americans.
Between this and the Weinstein-informed vaccine skepticism, I've pretty much given up hope of anything scientifically literate produced in this space.
i saw the one video - i am still in shock, but God does not sleep. those images were horrible. the staff treated those babies with terrible roughness, and NO they were not sedated, they were struggling crying trying to get out, thrown into bare cages with no bedding or padding just metal cages, with their iv still attatched, one doggie was thrown blimp and full of blood into dustbin like he was trash.... no i am sorry i cannot understand this.
We should make Fauci undergo all the experiments he has forced on other animals. Is Fauci even a human being. I would like to strangle him myself. He is such a disgusting thing. You talk about satanic, that’s his middle name.
Interesting, "Under federal rules, a vaccine must be tested in two animal species before it can be cleared for human clinical trials." Did this apply to the COVID "vaccine"? Funny how they bend the rules.
Thank you so much for once again writing an article about something I might not entirely agree with but that comes from a perspective I can appreciate.
Much experimentation will by the nature of experimentation fail, so the 90% fail rate is not all that surprising or shocking, and given the limits of computer simulation, I'm not entirely sure I'd be down with taking a drug because it did well in a simulated organ. We have enough trouble with people manipulating studies with easily verifiable and quantifiable outcomes, like animal or human, in which X did well but Y didn't. I can't imagine relying on Pfizer's digital kidney, or even the CDC's digital kidney, to demonstrate that a particular drug does it no harm. It's what it does in a real body that matters. Computers simulations are vulnerable to coding "errors."
But having said that, I am equally as suspicious of people who can so easily torment animals. Given the well established relationship between a child's tendency to abuse animals and violence toward other humans later in life, this explains a lot about Fauci for me. I don't think he actually sees humanity, other than perhaps a select few humans, as anything other than animals to be experimented on for his own curiosity and glory. So in that respect, I think I have more understanding of the man, so thank you.
I have read articles making the same points you do, but I'm not convinced that ending animal testing is viable. But I am firmly in the camp that it should be rare and those wanting to do it should demonstrate a high level of need, a high degree of certainty that the experiments will be a success (so we're not throwing away beagles like they're nothing but cheap broken beakers), and a set of standards to mitigate the suffering of the animals involved.
God told us He put everything on this Earth that we needed - and He did. Alzheimers medication comes from snowdrops; aspirin from the bark of the willow tree. We didn't look hard enough. Fauci and all those who caused such needless suffering to animals should rot in hell for what they did, including those "scientists" who could have ended animal experimentation with this so-called "new" technology because they have had it for DECADES.
Excellent article Mr. Woodhouse! I'm so glad I'm able to find great journalism on Substack. I'm a huge softie when it comes to animals so I'm certainly biased. But perhaps it's time (much like Muller with the "Russian Collusion") to stop deifing people like this as not just good people but saints.
There is NO justification for any animal testing whatsoever. MEDICINE comes from nature. There is no NEED to test drugs and procedures on animals. We've removed ourselves from nature and our natural medicines.
We poison and pollute ourselves with the "food" we eat and our toxic lifestyles.
Subjecting animals to abuses to promote an industry (whose prime motive IS profit) that merely seeks to replicate what already exists in nature to cure ailments we inflict on ourselves is insanity.
Innocent beings do not deserve to be tortured and murdered for the sake of humanity's bad life choices.
I can understand the requirement to test on animals, but the experimentation should be for some benefit. I don't see how destroying a monkey's brain and inducing more terror is "beneficial" - nor do I see any benefit to dogs being eaten alive by bugs, infecting an animal with anthrax to test an already approved vaccine, nor any of the rest of the experiments listed here. None of these is of any possible beneficial effect except to someone looking to cause incomprehensible pain and suffering to both animals and humans. They should have to justify their request for funds and submit the intent of doing such experiments. These are horrific and caused incredible suffering for the animals involved.
What I don't understand is why they have this available to them, but they didn't do testing on animals with the COVID vaccines and people are now paying the price with horrific adverse events. They encourage pregnant women to get them when they cause miscarriages, and nursing mothers' infants die after mothers get the vaccine. It makes no sense they did no reproductive tests. So, running experiments for seemingly no benefit to mankind, and failure to run experiments with the COVID vaccines that would have been beneficial. Time to do away with Fauci's organization. Time to do away with the CDC and FDA - both of which have been seriously wrong in the past and have become political nightmares controlling our lives. Fauci should be in jail.
Hi, long time (10y) lab researcher here. One major omission from this article, which only cites hyperbolic sources, is the existence of IACUC. At major institutions in the USA, meaning anyone who matters, there is a review board run by IACUC which reviews all experimental protocols involving animal research. Every experiment is scrutinized and pressure is put upon researchers to NOT use animal models. Animal experiments are expensive, require tons of infrastructure, and are generally a pain the ass compared to in vitro studies. Note, the board is staffed by biomedical ethicists, professors, and students, so everyone get a view into what is being done, and to be sure it cannot be done another way. This means your animal protocol involving rats, gets sent to in vitro because someone else used a new model to understand that system that maybe you didn't see or know about.
The level of detail in these protocols is very high, and at non shitty institutions are followed closely. To the point that, you will administer Tylenol to your rats after surgery, and give them heating pads to help them recover. It is necessary, some people think it's silly, but that's the work. The violations that I have seen are often from non-US researchers that come from places that don't have the same set of rules. A lab at U Penn I know got busted for storing their animals IN THE FREEZER for weeks because their Chinese researcher was too lazy to take them to incinerator. IACUC found out, lab nearly got completely shut down. They were put on a performance improvement where every other day an IACUC member would come down to check their logs and verify every step of their protocol involving animals. In my experience, this is a good system.
Not to take away from the articles truth, which is that animal experimentation is alive and well in the US. The origin story you want to read is the monkey and helmets experiment at Penn, which is what sparked the creation of IACUC and an attempt to make animal experimentation more humane. The grislier stuff is done in other countries, entirely on purpose, and without oversight.
If you think we don't need animal experimentation, you need to check your notes. Much of the work on modern medicines is a result of animal experimentation, one way or another. The safety and efficacy of modern medicine relies on this model. It's not perfect, and there are problems. Also, there are people working on better simulations and better models every year and things are improving. If we could do things without it, we would. In other countries, it's often because it is cheaper or they do not have the sophisticated setups we do in more developed places.
The best story on the need for animal based research is horseshoe crab blood. Horseshoe crabs have an immune system that is exceptionally sensitive to bacteria. So sensitive, we cannot manufacture something that works as well. It is used to quality control drugs and vaccines, so that we don't inject things tainted with bacteria. Of course, in medicine we don't want this! It's expensive, and a huge process. It has served for decades to keep injectables safe.
Personally, it is no one's favorite in the lab, but if you're in the business, it's part of the job and it is not taken lightly. Of course, my experience is not universal and it is an ethical issue in science.
Full force.... Throwing a dog into its cage while bleeding from 60 different infected wounds, after being eaten alive for 30 days from 300,000 flies let loose in a small kennel with caged beagles wearing plastic cones on their heads and no antiseptic or any treatment at all is not experimenting. Its torture on purpose. Holding them up by one leg while they take their last breath and letting them fall into a trash can is not experiment. Thats torture on purpose.
Both of my parents died during the AIDS pandemic in the 80's. Wonder if it could have been prevented now under this bozo Fauci. So sad. Resign now.
Animal rights advocates do themselves no favors by constantly reciting these talking points that animal experimentation has no value and everything can be done with in vitro experimentation or computer modeling. Try gathering any useful information in immunology or neuroscience with just in vitro experiments and modeling. Any sane biomedical researcher will laugh you out of the room if you try to make the case to them. Most animal experiments fail, because most experiments fail. That's just the nature of scientific enterprise.
Instead of focusing on areas where headway can be made on protecting animals from needless suffering, blithely claiming that we can do away with it while only citing blanket opponents of animal experimentation and the most extreme instances (the vast majority of research is done on small rodents) does a massive disservice to your readership. The only way to justify not doing animal experiments before human trials is if you think human and animal life is entirely equivalent. If you do, fine, but that's not the view of the vast majority of Americans.
Between this and the Weinstein-informed vaccine skepticism, I've pretty much given up hope of anything scientifically literate produced in this space.
i saw the one video - i am still in shock, but God does not sleep. those images were horrible. the staff treated those babies with terrible roughness, and NO they were not sedated, they were struggling crying trying to get out, thrown into bare cages with no bedding or padding just metal cages, with their iv still attatched, one doggie was thrown blimp and full of blood into dustbin like he was trash.... no i am sorry i cannot understand this.
Horrible, just like the third reich Dr. Mengele
Absolutely disgusting and ins best friend at that. Shame on them. There a special place in hell for them.
I wish I could tie those bastards to a tree on West Bay point and let the Sand gnats drive them crazy
We should make Fauci undergo all the experiments he has forced on other animals. Is Fauci even a human being. I would like to strangle him myself. He is such a disgusting thing. You talk about satanic, that’s his middle name.
Interesting, "Under federal rules, a vaccine must be tested in two animal species before it can be cleared for human clinical trials." Did this apply to the COVID "vaccine"? Funny how they bend the rules.
So evil 😈