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Peter Quinn's avatar

"We'll know that our disinformation program is complete when everything the

public believes is wrong...."

Former CIA Director William "Bill" Casey

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sumdood's avatar

The intelligence community™ recently gave up the game when a bunch of them penned an open letter urging everyone to treat the Hunter Biden laptop scandal as Russian Disinformation™ despite zero evidence of that:

disinformation - noun - anything that might embarrass Democrats

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Spaulding Showalter's avatar

Pizzagate is Real. There is no such thing as a “Qanon.” But overall a good article imo.

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roirob88's avatar

This article offers nothing by way of any evidence , all speculation. Yes you are the fucking Qnon crowd.

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name so I can find my comments's avatar

The letter was written on May 14th after a former NYT journalist wrote a long article on May 4th. And the theory hadn't been dismissed, it had been discounted, because "lab-leak" because synonymous with germ warfare. But it isn't. Now it's back and that's good. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/13/science/virus-origins-lab-leak-scientists.html

But like Greenwald you just love to moralize; your first interest is your own sense of superiority. Here's another one that had been discounted. Science is political, like everything else. Your silence about Israel won't go don't well in the long run. https://www.wired.com/story/the-teeny-tiny-scientific-screwup-that-helped-covid-kill/

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Leighton Woodhouse's avatar

Israel? WTF?

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name so I can find my comments's avatar

It's a more pressing measure of objectivity and reason.

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Leighton Woodhouse's avatar

Ok, whatever. Bye.

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name so I can find my comments's avatar

I just posted links to discussions of the leak hypothesis from Jan. Here's another from December. Others are older. Yes many ignored it, and now they don't, but your selective moral grandstanding is not a serious critique. https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4068627

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Mona Holland's avatar

'And the theory hadn't been dismissed, it had been discounted"

I'm sorry, but LOL. Oh, I see, it had merely been pervasively "discounted." Thus negating the above article. smh

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name so I can find my comments's avatar

Scientists had considered it "unlikely", now they've changed their minds, as they did about aerosol transmission. Like most people, Woodhouse jumps on bandwagons.

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Mona Holland's avatar

Woodhouse's critique of media-, political-, and scientific-establishment is spot on, and I think you see that. You simply do not like it.

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name so I can find my comments's avatar

If you're with Woodhouse, Weiss, and Ungar-Sargon, I think you're a bit confused.

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sumdood's avatar

Calm down. lol This article is not about laying out the case for lab leak. That's been done already:

https://nicholaswade.medium.com/origin-of-covid-following-the-clues-6f03564c038

Even the NYT now concedes it's a viable explanation. (DUH to any reasonable person all along.) This is just about how easily manipulated people like you are by mass media proclamations of "disinformation" and their coordinated smears of half the country. Congrats on proving his point.

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roirob88's avatar

The NYT..LMFAO. Thanks for making my case asshole.

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MarkM's avatar

You are aware that we did find over 5,000 abandoned chemical weapons in Iraq from 2004 to 2011 and some chemical weapons were subsequently used against our troops (and others) in connection with various improvised deployment/explosive devices. (Some of the troops also were exposed in the disposal process.) Now, we did not find a new active chemical weapon program - most of the ordinance in question was old (pre-1991) - but there was, in fact, chemical weapons in Iraq: sarin, mustard gas, and other nerve agents. (Mustard gas was the most common.)

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Mona Holland's avatar

Way to avoid addressing the author's compelling points, distilled in his proffered italicized paragraphs, which he followed with this question: "How did those paragraphs strike you? Were they a revelation, or a bunch of inane Reddit conspiracy theory gibberish?"

I found them distinctly revelatory. You?

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roirob88's avatar

Compelling? It's nothing. Those paragraphs you reference have nothing in the way of evidence, the speculation isn't even enough to lift it from the sinophobic trash heap that generated it.

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Skorp's avatar

‘Sinophobic’. Right. This guy is likely a Chinese disinfo agent.

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Mona Holland's avatar

The reasoning in those paragrapsh renders plausible the lab leak hypothesis. Hypotheses rest on sound reasoning as proposed explanations of fact. Those paragraphs constitute such sound reasoning.

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roirob88's avatar

You're twitter profile states you're anti-imperalist, didn't you mean liberal imperialist Social Chauvinist scum. There is no sound reasoning in that article, someone said she checked her logs and believes there was no leak, but no one else read them! OH MY! This is journalism for the especially dumb, and easily swayed.

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Mona Holland's avatar

Well, you have spewed angry insults at the author's work and at me personally now. Congratulations on modeling proper discussion and argument form. [eye roll] Adieu.

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Trump Takes Up Your Space's avatar

LOL There is LITERALLY tons of evidence that 6 corporations own ALL of the media and every tv station gets the same script. #Dunce do some fucking research retard.

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